もう9月限12月限買う事にするわ 1万くらい大暴落すれば噴くべ(´・ω・`) 0642山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:51:12.39ID:IHiBaBkg0 >> SAM: Thanks very much. Sam Fleming from the Financial Times. Over the weekend we saw significant tensions within the G7 in Canada. There is the potential, obviously, for further action against China right now and retaliatory action from major U.S. trading partners. How big a risk do you currently see this as being to the United States' economy, and what kind of feedback are you getting in terms of corporate investment and tensions? Is this something that's beginning to feature more prominently in your own discussions with major U.S. companies? Thanks. >> CHAIRMAN: I ought to start by saying that, you know, Congress has assigned us very important jobs, and, you know, maximum employment, stable prices, we have a role in financial stability that we share with other agencies. Congress has specifically given authority over trade to the executive branch, so I wouldn't comment on any specific trade actions. I will say, of course, we have broad context among business leaders around the country, and the reserve bank presidents in particular have that, so they report in the beige book and then in person at the FOMC meeting, and they do come back and they say that concerns about changes in trade policy are arising, I think it's fair to say, and also you're beginning to hear reports of companies holding off on making investments and hiring people, so right now we don't see that in the numbers at all. The economy is very strong, the labor market is strong, growth is strong. We really don't see it in the numbers. It's just not there, but -- so I would put it, then, as more of a risk. 0643山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:51:15.70ID:K3o3rS7F0 全然落ちねぇ 0644山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:51:27.69ID:etVfLrBI0>>637 何でそんなに不安症なんだよ。このアゲアゲ相場でw 0645山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:51:30.74ID:+okOFQE50 このあたりのETFはつい昨日まで年内利上げ3回前提だったような・・
BLV/バンガード米国長期債券ETF VCLT/バンガード米国長期社債ETF VGLT/バンガード米国長期政府債券ETF EDV/バンガード超長期米国債ETF 0646山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:51:42.70ID:+ODaffya0 80年代中頃まで東証って手書きで板寄せやってたんだぜ それを手で入力して電光掲示板に値段が出てた 0647山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:51:44.41ID:DqGRYoZV0 W杯中は下げてきそうにないな 0648山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:51:54.12ID:j5Ua6d6N0https://i.imgur.com/9Vb5TLg.jpg https://i.imgur.com/WkXDLAb.jpg https://i.imgur.com/aKGhqoF.jpg https://i.imgur.com/zQEZFWe.jpg https://i.imgur.com/C43Z6Ln.jpg https://i.imgur.com/IaRtKah.jpg https://i.imgur.com/h195HDn.jpg https://i.imgur.com/6WtNJ5I.jpg https://i.imgur.com/rabQHGV.jpg0649山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:52:08.24ID:AHWcm+nhd 今夜のECBも所詮は外部要因でダウには影響無いな 0650山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:52:12.52ID:Nq6oZpXwd>>633 中間選挙あるのに? 0651山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:52:15.46ID:5+62Yafl0>>635 来週ダウの天井ポインヨくるからその辺りで急に鳩ったりして 0652山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:52:45.71ID:8W+D2zVA0 パウエルはユダヤ人じゃないからとんでもない暴落を起こす運命 だがいつかわからない 0653山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:52:59.31ID:qgOBT750M>>628 うおーマジか これ本当ならダウ近いうちに二万切るぞ 0654山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:53:00.95ID:y2IaW/ZQ0 米国債金利とダウが落ち着かないと、日経は上ないな… 0655山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:53:13.38ID:DqGRYoZV0 暴落は五輪の24ヶ月前 0656山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:53:24.12ID:IHiBaBkg0 >> STEVE LIESMAN: Steve Liesman, CNBC. Mr. Chairman, you said there's a difference of opinion among economists, but looking at the longer run GDP growth rates for the members of the committee, there's not a whole lot of difference. It's 1-8 to 2 or 1-7 to 2, depending how you count it. Is that showing us that not a single member of the committee, including yourself, Mr. Chairman, agrees with economists over at the White House that they can achieve long-run sustained growth rates above or at 3% or higher? Do you believe in that? >> CHAIRMAN: You know, first of all, that's a reasonable range, I think. It's not that we're all on the same number, but there are a range of views about potential growth, and there's so much uncertainty around this. You know, we don't -- the thing about fiscal policy is you don't have thousands of incidents to -- you know, to -- you don't have big data in a way. You have very small data. You've got only a few instances here, so you have a lot of uncertainty around what the effects could be. They could be large. We hope they're large, but I think our approach is going to be to watch and see and hope that, in fact, we do get significant effects to -- you know, to potential growth out of the tax bill, and we're just going to have to see. >> (Off microphone). >> CHAIRMAN: I think we're looking at a reasonable range of estimates, and we're putting -- different participants are putting different estimates in, and we're going to be waiting and seeing 0657山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:53:47.60ID:etVfLrBI0>>650 中間選挙あるから夏に下げて秋にはアゲアゲの空気にする。 0658山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:53:58.69ID:AHWcm+nhd 次の満月あたりが危ないな... 0659山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:54:00.80ID:V0a+TmdP0 ガクト詐欺祭りくるんかなww 0660山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:54:07.88ID:QlD1vfGW0 全もじゃん 0661山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:54:23.29ID:qgOBT750M>>642 流石にこれはヤバイだろうな そらダウも下がるわ 0662山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:54:24.13ID:Imxx0NR+0 【宣伝】 けやき坂46の加藤史帆 「男友達だから」 いい曲だよね https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwxYfdDmgQw0663山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:54:53.27ID:k+Z5tyT70 前回までのパウL!! 「FRBは市場を助けたり傷つけたりするものではなぁい!!!」 この男らしい発言によって市場は力強く下げたが、今日のパウエルは? 0664山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:55:01.29ID:+ODaffya0 為替がさえないな これじゃ日経横横だな 0665山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:55:38.37ID:JoyZFPM00 せめてNKだけ下げろ 0666山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:55:46.87ID:F+fWBbWSa なんにも玉仕入れてないのに 下げとかマジで止めて〜 0667山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:55:47.67ID:fnDDpvjd0>>650 >>657がスタンダードな見方 0668山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:56:07.80ID:prJdfRPb0>>646 株式市場も手振り使ってたけど 今でも使ってるのって卸売市場くらいだよな
あのおっさんどもは何で今でも手振り使ってんだろ? 0669山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:56:15.36ID:AHWcm+nhd 今週の末に安倍支持率がどれだけ回復してるかだな 0670山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:56:24.21ID:IHiBaBkg0 >> DONNA BORAK: Donna BORAK with CNN. You said earlier that it's still a little too early to declare victory on inflation. I wanted to circle back on a question that was asked at the initial Press Conference about what is does the fed say in regards to the inflation target as symmetric? Like, has the committee given any further thought in terms of how comfortable it would be rising above, whether it goes higher than 2.1, if it reaches 2.2, 2.3, and for how long, and now that you're planning to hold these regular Press Conferences starting next year, how do you explain -- how do you plan to explain that to the American people that inflation is not overrunning? >> CHAIRMAN: You know, what we've said in our statement of longer-run principles and monetary policy strategy is that the committee would be concerned if inflation were to run persistently above or below 2%, persistently above or below 2%, and that's what we mean by symmetric. We're looking at it equally on either side, and it's a matter of persistent overruns. We know that inflation is going to bounce around. For example, as I mentioned, later this summer there's a good chance that headline inflation will move up above 2% because of oil prices. Things buffet inflation back and forth, but -- so we acknowledge that, we understand that, and if inflation were to persistently run above or below 2%, then we would be using our tools to try to move inflation back in the direction of the target. We do understand, though, that we don't have the ability to precisely hit that target, so we expect that inflation will be above or below, and we just hope that that happens on a symmetric basis. 0671ドル円の人 ◆lODgTgypIc 2018/06/14(木) 03:56:27.60ID:UYlZ8k2D0 ふぉーまっく は ゼンモ 0672山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:56:41.84ID:8W+D2zVA0 利回り↓↓ 0673山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:56:48.03ID:JoyZFPM00 ゴールド,全モ 0674山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:56:54.44ID:FHAWxqnq0>>661 グーグル翻訳しても何がなんでもインフレ2%やるぞ程度しかわからん。 何がヤバいん? 0675山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:56:58.64ID:8ffQNmI/0 日経は外人の年初からの売り越しがまだ半分くらいしか買い戻せてないしょ、そこそこ粘るじゃないか 0676山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:57:10.01ID:y2IaW/ZQ0 為替が垂れすぎ… 0677山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:57:33.78ID:toeMHb64d ガクトコイン買うと何か特典でもあるんか 0678山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:57:34.56ID:xYV7Xi0h0 プリオン狂ってキタ 0679山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:57:38.45ID:8W+D2zVA0 ナスが力強いな・・・ 0680山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:57:56.90ID:IHiBaBkg0 >> MARTY CRUTSINGER: Marty, associated press. At this meeting, you hiked the funds rate, you changed the dot plot to move from 3 to 4 for this year, and you took out a sentence that you had been using for years about how long rates might stay low, but you say that none of this signals a change in policy views. But shouldn't we see from this combination of things that the Fed is moving to a tighter policy? >> CHAIRMAN: I think what you should see is that the economy is continuing to make progress. The economy has strengthenened so much since I joined the Fed, you know, in 2012 and even over the last couple of years. The economy's in a very different place. Unemployment was 10% at the height of the crisis, 3.8% now and moving lower, so really, what you -- the decision you see today is another sign that the U.S. economy is in great shape. Growth is strong, labor markets are strong, inflation is close to target, and that's what you're seeing. For many years, as I mentioned, many years we had interest rates held low to support economic activity, and it's been clear that as we've gotten closer to our statutory goals, we should normalize policy, and that's really what we've been consistently doing for some years now. 0681山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:57:59.77ID:AHWcm+nhd 22,929 日経平均CFD 今日は23000乗せるな... 0682山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:58:05.21ID:qgOBT750M>>674 いや何か雰囲気的に 0683山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:58:20.54ID:JoyZFPM00 ゴールド,↑に大暴れ!なんじゃこりゃ 0684山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:58:30.77ID:fnDDpvjd0>>661 The economy is very strong, the labor market is strong, growth is strong.
これくらいなら訳せるやろ? 0685山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:58:32.73ID:+ODaffya0 アフリカの証券取引所って今も手書きでやってるのかな 0686山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:58:34.31ID:FHAWxqnq0>>671 先物チャート的にはどこにふぉーまっくがあったかもわからんw セクスィヨコヨコ 0687山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:58:51.23ID:F+V/RZ0d0 パウS無能すぎる 0688山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:59:06.76ID:AHWcm+nhd おはよう観るか 0689山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:59:14.15ID:wQF7+0xLa なにげにビットコインが死んでるな 0690山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:59:20.16ID:FHAWxqnq0>>682 良いと思います。その感性に俺もついていくわ 0691山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:59:52.12ID:NQZo6moQ0>>684 こんな時間に声出して笑った 0692山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 03:59:58.60ID:DqGRYoZV0 為替意味不明の動き 0693山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 04:00:17.12ID:IHiBaBkg0 >> HEATHER LONG: Heather long from the Washington Post. Can you give us an update on what the FOMC think business wages, are we finally going to see that wage growth pick up this year? I know you're forecasting a little bit more inflation, but is that going to translate through to wage growth? >> CHAIRMAN: You know, wages have been gradually moving up Erle. Earlier in the recovery, they were -- there are many different wage measures, of course, but just to generalize, wages were running roughly around 2%, and they've moved gradually up between 2% to 3% as the labor market has become stronger and stronger. I think it's fair to say that some of us -- and I certainly would have expected wages to react more to the very significant reduction in unemployment that we've had, as I mentioned, from 10% to 3.8%. Part of that can be explained by low productivity, which is something we've talked about at the committee and elsewhere, but nonetheless, I think we had anticipated and many people have anticipated that wages -- in a world where we're hearing lots and lots about labor shortages, everywhere we go now we hear about labor shortages, but where's the wage reaction, so it's a bit of a puzzle. I wouldn't say it's a miss industry, but it's a bit of a puzzle, and, frankly, I do think there's a lot to like about low unemployment, and one of the things is you will see pretty much people who want to get jobs -- not everybody, but people who want to get jobs, many of them will be able to get jobs. You will see wages go up. You'll see people at the -- sort of the margins of the labor force having an opportunity to get back and work. They benefit from that, society benefits from that, so there are a lot of things to really like, including higher wages, as you asked. Our role, though, is also to -- you know, to make sure that maximum employment happens in a context of price stability and financial stability, which is why we're gradually raising rates. 0694山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 04:00:35.28ID:y2IaW/ZQ0 為替は何がしたいんだ… 0695山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 04:00:52.27ID:qgOBT750M>>684
ワクワクするだろ? 0700山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 04:01:28.09ID:8ffQNmI/0 面倒くさいから投機目的の為替は禁止すべきだな 0701山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 04:01:38.31ID:8W+D2zVA0 茄子が下げないといってる 0702山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 04:02:08.11ID:IHiBaBkg0 >> DON LEE: Just a follow-up on -- Don Lee from the LA Times. On both inflation and unemployment, the new projections for unemployment lowered them before and inflation higher, and how much is the Fed willing to accept as an overshoot for both of those before it affects policy? >> CHAIRMAN: You mentioned that unemployment moved down and inflation moved up by truly small amounts, if you look at the summary of economic projections. Things are moving by just a tick or even a semi-tick between now and March, and you asked, you know -- I mean, I think we take a longer-run view that we're shooting for -- we're aiming for 2% inflation -- inflation around 2%. We know that it'll be above or below. We're not going to -- we didn't overreact, I think, to inflation being under 2%. We won't overreact to it be being over 2%, and I think we'll be using tools to move it in the direction of the target if it moves away from the target persistently, as I mentioned. In terms of unemployment, you know, you have to acknowledge that we are -- no one really knows with certainty what the level of the natural rate of unemployment is, the rate that is sustainable over a long period of time, and we know that probably that rate has declined as the U.S. population has become more educated, as it has become older, older and more educated people have lower unemployment rates. We don't know this with precision, so we have to be learning as we go. We've got to be looking at data and informed by what's coming in, and as I mentioned, I think, at the last Press Conference, estimates by members of the committee have moved down by a full percentage point since maybe 2012 as we've learned -- as unemployment has dropped and inflation hasn't really reacted, so I can't give you a precise number, but I just -- you know, we will be very much informed by incoming data, and this uncertainty is why -- the fact that we live in that uncertainty is why we've been gradually raising rates. We're not waiting for inflation to show up, we're going ahead and moving gradually and trying to navigate between two risks, really. One would be moving too quickly, inflation never gets back to target. If we do that -- and the other is moving too slowly, and then we have too much inflation or financial instability, and we have to raise quickly, and that can also have bad outcomes. 0703山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 04:02:27.33ID:F+V/RZ0d0 利上げ加速だと円安にはなるけどダウ下がるから結局日経上がらないよな 0704山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 04:02:27.36ID:YHuxuZi70>>694 ウォールストリート・ジャーナル(WSJ) 中国への関税措置の適用について、早ければ金曜日にも適用開始するとの報道
こりゃ逃げといた方がいいな 0705山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 04:03:08.90ID:etVfLrBI0 NASDAQも下げてないけど日本人から見たら実質下げだよな… 0706山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 04:03:16.86ID:kCMgnfFX0>>701 半導体指数をちょいっと突けばきゃーん泣きよるで 0707山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 04:03:17.22ID:JoyZFPM00 今ドルインデどーなってるんだ? 0708山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 04:03:25.06ID:P/3BnCw50 ガクト何かやらかしたの? 0709山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 04:03:32.62ID:DqGRYoZV0 わくわくしながら下で待ってたが無理そうだな 織り込み済みって都市伝説かと思ってた 0710山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 04:03:53.20ID:+ODaffya0 やっぱ為替は上がらんな 外人は東京の昼は絶対円高誘導してくる 0711山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 04:04:02.56ID:AHWcm+nhd ダウ プラテンくっぞ〜 0712山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 04:05:01.62ID:785K1FYr0 ドル円 イナゴタワー 完成 0713山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 04:05:08.35ID:AHWcm+nhd 何もかも想定内だったからなあ 0714山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 04:05:11.17ID:JoyZFPM00 プリオンなんてことを 0715山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 04:05:22.04ID:oxRc2+cA0>>708 ガクトコイン(スピンドル)、公開一ヶ月足らずで公募価格から約600分の1まで暴落 0716山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 04:05:44.70ID:etVfLrBI0>>710 何で円高誘導するの? 今円安誘導して黒田がゼロ金利解除の方が効果あると思うけど… 0717山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 04:05:51.89ID:NQZo6moQ0 ユーロすげー 0718山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 04:06:00.21ID:oxRc2+cA0 ダウナス不死鳥過ぎて笑うわ 0719山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 04:06:17.59ID:1IuC6spBa 為替なんなの 0720山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 04:06:29.87ID:+ODaffya0 知らんが最近昼は絶対円高に振れる このせいで日経も上がらん 0721山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 04:06:33.11ID:Nq6oZpXwd 今後二回の利上げでも債券は3パー越えずか。 織り込み済みって事か。 0722山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 04:07:12.71ID:etVfLrBI0>>715 空売り出来る仕組みだったの?凄い儲かりそう。 0723山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 04:07:14.91ID:IHiBaBkg0 >> CHRIS CONDON: Chris Condon, Bloomberg News. Mr. Chairman, I have a couple questions about the interest the Fed pays on excess resense, and you mentioned, of course, that the IOER was raised 20 basis points, and that's a result of the upward drift of the effective funds rate in that target range. Do you think that's going to resolve that issue or might there be further action required by the committee in the future to continue log IOER relative to the midpoint of the range, and further, was there discussion among the committee today about what's causing that? Is it purely technical, perhaps related to bill issuance, or is it telling you something about the level of scarcity and truly excess bank reserves. Thank you. (Reserves not resense) >> CHAIRMAN: Thanks. I would say that remember the important thing is that we want the federal funds rate to trade in the target range. That's the whole idea. IOER is the principal tool by which we assure that that will happen, and we've said, you know -- in our basic documents that we will adjust the use of our tools as appropriate. We don't expect to have to do this often or again, but we're not sure about that. If we is have to do it again, we'll do it -- if we have to do it again, we'll do it again. again, don't expect it to happen. You asked why, and of course we're looking carefully at that. The truth is we don't know with any precision. Really, no one does. You can't run experiments with one affected and not the other. You know, I think there's a lot of probability on the idea of just high bill supply leads to higher repo costs, higher money market rates generally, and the arbitrage pulls up the federal funds rate toward the IOER. We don't know that's the only effect and we're going to have to be watching and learning. Frankly, we don't have to know today. What we need is to have the federal funds rate trade in the range, and that's what this minor technical adjustment accomplishes 0724山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 04:07:28.08ID:DqGRYoZV0 3時からの動きどこもかしこも面白すぎる 0725山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 04:07:38.34ID:F+V/RZ0d0 これで23000いかないならもう当分ムリだろ 0726山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 04:07:53.62ID:bFP66xBM0 ガクトはどれだけ関わってんだろな 取り分大したことなさそうだけど 0727山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 04:08:13.59ID:JoyZFPM00 利上げして株価上げてってさ…マネーの出所はどこになるのさ? 0728山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 04:08:50.41ID:+ODaffya0 為替が上がらなきゃ日経は上がらんだろ 0729山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 04:09:00.27ID:IHiBaBkg0 >> EDWARD LAWRENCE: Edward Lawrence from Fox Business. So with the numbers that we're looking at, you talked about more people getting jobs, the wages are increasing, are we seeing a -- with the fiscal policy, a fundamental shift in the economy where we have lower natural unemployment, also possibly a lower rate of natural unemployment and lower inflation? >> CHAIRMAN: Your question -- your first question really is do we think the natural rate of unemployment is lower? So I think we do believe it has moved down significantly over a long period of time. We don't think that the natural rate of unemployment -- you know, it's not one of those variables that moves around a lot. It tends to be driven by slow-moving variables like the education level, the population, like the functioning of the labor market and things like that, so, you know, it may -- it may have moved down two on a cyclical basis lower, as the economy gets hotter and hotter. There's some possibility of that, but, you know, the thing is if you look back, there have been a lot of studies done and realtime estimates of the natural rate of unemployment have uncertainty bands, which are quite wide, so we have to remember that and very much be guided by the incoming data. You asked about inflation. You know, inflation, we look at the 2% inflation objective as something that central banks, the Fed really control, and we have to be strongly committed to achieving that using our tools to do that. I think in recent years the dominant force has been, you know, disinflationary, had been pushing down on inflation, so we've been pushing back up. Of course, all those years when we were growing up, it was the opposite, inflation was too high and central banks were constantly pushing down. It's really important that inflation not fall below 2%, that inflation expectations remain well anchored at 2%, very important, because the implications of inflation below 2% are that you're closer to the 0 lower bound, meaning the fed has less room to cut, meaning we'll spend more time there and we won't be able to do the job that we're assigned to do for our citizens. 0730山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 04:09:22.04ID:lXQEFH1X0 よこよこすぎる 0731山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 04:09:34.56ID:etVfLrBI0>>727 新興国マネー 0732山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 04:09:56.87ID:DqGRYoZV0 仮想通貨は差し押さえできないって出てたからますます黒く染まりそう 0733山師さん@トレード中2018/06/14(木) 04:10:01.34ID:GdmYRqzh0 この時間に久しぶりに起きてきたけどまともなこと言ってるの一人くらいしかいないな・・・